Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama!

Well, NBC News has learned that a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton, former Amb. to Chile Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon is leaving the campaign to join up Barack Obama's campaign. Officially dubbed a "Hillraiser," Guerra-Mondragon raised nearly $500,000 for Clinton's campaign, according to some estimates. He has been informing people inside Clintonworld this week in what's been described as some tough conversations.

mong the reasons for Guerra-Mondragon to defect, according to one informed source, was he was uneasy with the tone of the Clinton campaign and was beginning to worry about what this would mean for the general election.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/04/25/946650.aspx

Who will be next?



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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 1)

AWESOME!!!


by obamaforprez on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:03:06 PM EST

Sen. Clinton supporter George McGovern (2.00 / 0)

went way off message.

Can we go get Capt. McStain yet?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:04:19 PM EST

An odd way to support Clinton: (2.00 / 1)

"I think that is [Obama's] strength," McGovern told The Huffington Post. "He has very broad appeal. He certainly is going to galvanize the black vote. But he has strong appeal to voters of all kinds. Some of the old buckaroos out here in South Dakota are for him."

Later he acknowledges Obama will be the nominee.

McGovern is an early and still vocal Hillary Clinton for President supporter, but she probably wishes he'd be quiet now.


by McNasty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:08:59 PM EST
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I'm guessing you're right (2.00 / 1)

His remarks aren't helpful.

Though this race may not be as dramatic to the supers as it is to us.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:18:15 PM EST
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Re: Sen. Clinton supporter George McGovern (2.00 / 1)

I love your sig


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:28:25 PM EST
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Thanks! (2.00 / 1)

And it's true!


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:29:49 PM EST
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yes I am sure he was worried (2.00 / 1)

about the tone of the campaign, just like Richardson was.  I am sure they will both be rewarded handsomely for their "concern".


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:04:31 PM EST

Right, it's always pay-to-play. (2.00 / 0)

So cynical!

Or maybe they're actually concerned about poisoning the well?  That's what Clinton supporter George McGovern seems to fear, for example.

Either way, it's another SuperD for Senator Barack Obama.  Onward!


by McNasty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:13:41 PM EST
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Re: Right, it's always pay-to-play. (none / 0)

This guy isn't a superdelegate.


by LakersFan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:33:41 PM EST
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I sit corrected, thanks. n/t (none / 0)


by McNasty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:40:14 PM EST
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Re: yes I am sure he was worried (none / 0)

For sure.

God knows the Clintons never gave out political favors for votes and support.

Seriously though,  I'm sure you'll run off to find me some evidence that they are being paid off instead of actually wanting to support Senator Obama.


by PSUdan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:14:35 PM EST
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Re: yes I am sure he was worried (none / 0)

I bet they will get nothing for their "concern".  The Daley political machine and Axelrod already have their people set up.

There's going to be alot of using and abusing.


by stefystef on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:41:25 PM EST
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Re: yes I am sure he was worried (none / 0)

Abusing??? Are you advocating physical abuse on these people??? For shame!


by mefck on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:56:39 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 1)

another Judas or benedict arnold
lmao I know alot of people in Hillary's Camp wish they could go with him

Clinton campaign =Titanic

Obama = iceberg


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:06:31 PM EST

Obama and Hispanics (2.00 / 1)

The article also says this:

"Guerra-Mondragon's defection could serve as a tipping point with some key Hispanic Democratic leaders that Obama is ready to start making a bigger effort to court Hispanics."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:08:27 PM EST

Re: Obama and Hispanics (none / 0)

Obama should have BEEN making a connection with Hispanics, not just because some honcho fundraiser defects to his side.

That is not going to signal anything but disloyalty to the Hispanic community.  And trust me, that doesn't play well in a community that depends on family and honor.

Another former FOC (Friends of the Clintons) who will be ass-out come November.  Hillary, if you are reading this, don't invite ANY of these jerks to your inauguration.


by stefystef on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:40:15 PM EST
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All about the vengeance. (none / 0)

They'll pay, all those Judases!  Hell hath no fury, etc.

At least you've got your eyes on the prize...not.


by McNasty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:52:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama and Hispanics (none / 0)

That quote says it all.  "...Obama is ready to start making a bigger effort to court Hispanics."

He's been running for President for 15 months and just NOW wishes to 'start making a bigger effort' for our vote?  Sorry... you didn't think you needed us before, now that you do need us we'll just roll over for you?

It doesn't work that way, we will not turn away from Hillary who wanted to stand up for us from the beginning.  

And the lesson of Pennsylvania is that regardless of how much money is raised and spend, even with the prowess of Guerra-Mondragon, that the candidate with the plan, the fight and the stature will wins.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:40:43 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 0)

Ah, who cares. I don't.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:10:04 PM EST

Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 0)

1000 papercuts


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:11:19 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

Just make sure when you see Hillary Clinton on January 20, 2009, you call her President Clinton and not Senator Clinton.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:27:15 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

Perhaps President of the Senate(as VP)


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:41:15 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

That was your best comeback? I'll give you a second try.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:45:57 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 2)

President of WAlmart?


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:50:09 PM EST
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Ouch (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:16:16 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

And it's ... a homerun!!!


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:07:21 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

That would be mean.


by notme54 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:41:42 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 1)

Maybe, maybe she gets Secretary of State or Attorney General (if not Edwards).

It all depends if she shows her true Democratic roots and campaigns HARD for ALL Democratic canidates win in 2008.

This election is NOT just about the presidency


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:47:04 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 0)

when you visit her in her own country, Clintonland...


by clad on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:51:47 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

Friendly wager?

(I keep trying this...someone is eventually going to bite and help buy my new Prius.)


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:24:14 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 0)

Personally, I don't care.  Hillary seems to be raising money pretty nicely right now.

When Hillary gets the nomination and wins the Presidency, I hope she never returns the phone calls for any of these cowards who were smiling in her face and stabbing her in the back.

Well, buh-bye!  Don't beg Hillary for a job when you are out of one pretty soon.


by stefystef on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:37:34 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 1)

Damn, you beat me to the post.

I was just quickly reading through the absurd posts about Olbermann when you're post beat me to the punch on this defector.

Defections from Hillary are no surprise at this point.  Besides the ship sinking and the math being impossible for her, there are consequences for running a scorched earth campaign.

She is a very smart campaigner, so this will come as no surprise to her.  She chose to go 100% negative and use Rovian tactics, and she has been around long enough to know there are things to be gained and things to be lost by doing so. It's all part of the calculus she is using.

This is just the start of what is to be expected...blow back.  These are reasonable people that have been watching the recent turn for the worst.  Many of them know that it is not in the interest of the party.

I guarantee her unwillingness to speak out in support of Bev Purdue and Richard Moore will be the straw that breaks the camel back for many of these people.  It is ample evidence that she is not ready to run this party because she will put her own self-interests ahead of the parties interests. That is not leadership.

So welcome Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon, it is good to have you on board.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:18:31 PM EST

It will be a tough sell. (2.00 / 2)

I agree, she knows the consequences and this won't surprise her.  But I think all she's got now is to increase the focus on the "Obama can't win" idea, which for obvious reasons seems not to be gaining traction.  So it will get uglier before there's any relief, unfortunately.

Obama's scoring some major points today among delegates with his joint DNC fundraising announcement.  If Senator Clinton can't follow up with something entirely similar, and also ratchets up her "unelectability" rhetoric, I think we'll see enough SDs commit to Obama that we won't have to hold our breath until June.


by McNasty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:22:52 PM EST
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No surprise - conversion approaching 100% (2.00 / 0)

for the AA and wine and cheese crowd


by observer5 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:20:11 PM EST

Re: No surprise - conversion approaching 100% (2.00 / 1)

Oh I forgot.......AA's are NOT one of the most loyal Democratic constituencies.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:24:43 PM EST
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So what did you call (2.00 / 1)

Ambassador Guerra-Mondragon while he was still supporting Hillary Clinton?  Was he part of "the AA and wine and cheese crowd" at that point, or is membership defined by support for our next President, Senator Barack Obama?


by McNasty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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Re: So what did you call (2.00 / 1)

Hmm Clinton supporters are now bashing blacks and people who think wine is delicious?

Really, an excellent article was written covering the "crazy for cocopuffs" on this site:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur /hillary-clinton-supporter_b_98604.html


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:48:49 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

Obama supporters like to cry about the rules. Well the "rules" says this race goes all the way to June, so stop crying and let the campaign go on. If people are concerned that Clinton is actually running a campaign, so be it, let them jump ship. In my view, as long as Clinton has a viable chance of becoming President, I will support her.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:30:23 PM EST

Who said anything (none / 0)

about Clinton dropping out? Most everybody wants her to run until the last ballot is cast. It's a free country, she's perfectly within her rights to do that.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:32:37 PM EST
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Re: Who said anything (none / 0)

Oh, please. You and I know very well that many Obama supporters say Clinton is "destroying the Party," "she is damaging Obama," "she should get out now for the sake of the Party." Give me a break. I could pull out the quotes to prove it. Exhibit A: Daily Kos. This race was designed to go all the way to June. If people are unhappy about that, take it up with the DNC. Both Obama AND Clinton have unfairly attacked each other. The exit polls are in agreement with that. We are running a political campaign here, not some beauty contest. Anyone who thought otherwise was grossly misinformed.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:43:21 PM EST
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Well, not really. (2.00 / 1)

For starters, Clinton herself, back in the inevitability days, said it would be over on February 5th. I'm not even sure when we've last had a primary that ran this long; at this stage, it's usualy just beauty contests, because there's a clear nominee and everyone else has dropped out, cf. 2004.

Also, people realize that to keep Clintonists in the fold, all possibilities for her need to be exhausted before the race is called. That means going to the end.

It would be better if she dropped out, sure. But she's Hillary Clinton, one of our party's senior leaders, so she's being given a lot of deference, not entirely without reason, to decide her own way.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:01:39 PM EST
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Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 1)

She can do whatever she wants....I think the point is most undecided SD's and some prominent members of both campaigns will not tolerate a "win at all cost" mentality that would damage their party's ultimate goal of getting a Democrat into the White House, IMO.


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:43:38 PM EST
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Yay! (2.00 / 1)

You know what's really great about this? He's probably going to be able to bring his donor network with him. This is a double loss in that sense.

Is it just me, or do I see our general election coalition taking shape?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:31:01 PM EST

Re: Yay! (2.00 / 0)

His donor network is probably already maxed out.


by LakersFan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:37:58 PM EST
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Not for Obama :-) nt. (2.00 / 1)


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:39:07 PM EST
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Re: Not for Obama :-) nt. (none / 0)

Perhaps. But after someone has already hit you up for $4600 for their candidate, how likely are you to contribute another $4600 when they change their mind?


by LakersFan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:49:03 PM EST
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The kind of people (2.00 / 1)

who can give at that level are not like you and me, scrounging around to pop out $100 here and there. They give in four-figure increments and have their names on university buildings, that kind of stuff. Trust me, I've done fundraising, it's a whole different and quite scary world :-)


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:10:58 PM EST
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Re: The kind of people (none / 0)

I know. But even rich people will balk when you tell them "I know I just hit you up for cash for candidate A, but now I'm asking for cash for candidate B". Sure, the people who just blindly write checks may donate again, but the ones who took some convincing before donating might be awfully hesitant to donate again.


by LakersFan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:28:41 PM EST
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Hillary is committing political suicide (2.00 / 1)

Her slash and burn campaign is catching up with her and our fellow Democrats are starting to awaken to what is going on and bailing ship.  Welcome to our side Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon we are very proud to have you with us.

As always there is an open invitation to any Clinton supporters that would like to join us and reunite the party for our Democratic candidate.


by netgui68 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:43:02 PM EST

Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (2.00 / 1)

So Grendel, can you cite one single time you publicly stated that he was unhealthy to have around?

Does that not speak poorly of HRC for bringing him, Mark Penn, Carville, etc etc on her campaign team?

If he is such a horrible man, by attacking him you retroactively attack HRC.


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:55:25 PM EST

Re: Major Clinton Fundraiser Defects to Obama! (none / 0)

Oh yeah? So?

Don't you people have learned the lesson in Pennsylvania Primary.  

VOTE BUYING IS ONLY TRUE IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES LIKE KENYA.  AMERICAN votes CANNOT BE BOUGHT!


by SHIBAM8P on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:13:52 PM EST


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